Hi @castall
From what you said, I can get following info (please correct me if I am wrong):
so would you share the team multi-sig address? (not sure if it is sensitive to be public, if yes, please find a proper channel to share in Gitcoin discord).
I agree it is a weak argument and I explained why in my post. I am simply trying to pull all information into this discussion and ensure nothing gets ignored.
Yeah daos have a funny way of making me weary too. Full empathy with you on this! In all seriousness, I see the FDD decision making as a feature not a bug. We are learning which types of decisions require various methods and info preservation. The ability of the fdd to rapidly signal on simple matters has helped us adapt and pivot along the way. And this is not the topic of this post. We are discussing projects with tokens and somebody asked how the fdd would likely make the next decision. My response was specifically to answer her question, not table fdd decision-making for inspection and critique.
At risk of irritating yâall, I want to point out that it can be difficult and time-consuming to achieve Dao consensus. We are so close to actually making a beneficial policy change derived from an appropriate process it would be sad and counter-productive to cancel it, in the hopes that maybe in some hypothetical future we will sit down to address the issue again.
Procrastination is the enemy and we have a great simple modification here that had been created by a PG/FDD co-lead process which involved ample public discussion. Do we really think more pages of debate will create changes to the proposed changes? I suggest it is unlikely and we move ahead with the suggested changes. However, I will support the community majority position.
This needs to either go to a vote tomorrow or be left as is⌠which is a vote for option 0.
Do we currently have comments from 5 or more stewards @Pop? What is the process for us moving this forward in the most legitimate way?
Based on the feedback from the community, and given we did not receive at least 5 steward comments in favor of moving this motion to a snapshot vote, FDD is moving forward with Option 0 for the BrightID appeal.
After judging this case, FDD made the decision to uphold BrightIDâs appeal, for two primary reasons:
As a result of this decision, the BrightID grant will be included in GR13 and eligible for matching funds in the round.
As discussed above, policy will be re-evaluated post-round, and we welcome input on that process.
Thank you to @annika @David_Dyor, the stewards & community members who took their time to weigh in, and @castall and the BrightID team for going through the experience of being the first appeal to go through the full Gitcoin appeals process.
1 - FDD source council voted as the âappellate courtâ to decide if the appeal had merit to be heard.
2 - FDD put it to the community on the governance forum saying âwe would like this to be a vote to determine precedent on how we deal with appeals at this level because it is the first case to get to this level.â
3 - Because it did not get enough positive steward attention to put it to a snapshot vote, Option 0 has been selected.
4 - This post serves as communication of FDDâs justification for itâs decision to uphold BrightIDâs appeal, include them in GR13, and informs the community on potential next steps.
I never get tired of watching you tie-together seemingly disparate concepts and individuals/groups. Thank you Joe for bringing closure to this incredible 3 part process in a way that clearly describes what has happened as well as what is happening next in the world of grant appeals. I am optimistic the lessons taken from running this actual appeal will make future appeals leaner and faster. And thanks to all who contributed to these talks. i think it is worth noting we came very close to moving to steward vote. It is a bit murky but I think I saw at least 3 supportive steward comments maybe 4.
Sorry thatâs not correct. I was just pointing out 15% as an example of a typical amount.
There is no team multisig. The team didnât receive any tokens.
This isnât the right narrative. $Bright token is performing much better than we ever expected, but we never expected it to cover BrightID core development. If one day it could cover the costs, great, but we never anticipated that. That would be very optimistic indeed.
Whether there is a possibility of a token or DAO treasury being used to fund core development at some future time (I hope it can, but we need other options, like Gitcoin grants) is different than saying the core team received tokens, which they didnât.
Iâm not trying to paint us in a more positive light, Iâm trying to dispel misinformation, so that if thereâs any use for this token launch to set a precedent, it can be done so accurately.
I think @lefterisjp was making the point that the same people can control multiple entities and pretend to not be related. Very true, but not the case here. United in purpose, but not the same people. The $Bright token airdrop was meant to be much more spread out to avoid being just the same people. The link you shared has the right information.
10 million $Bright went to the DAO treasury. That treasury could certainly be used to fund BrightID core, but it hasnât yet, and we need Gitcoin and other grants.
Most projects do take some tokens for the core team or dev team, so Iâm sorry we canât be of more help setting a precedent for that with regard to Gitcoin grants. My personal feeling is that should be OK if a project does that.
I donât know if these will factor in at all to the updating the token guidelines, but in case you all donât know thereâs another token (actually two tokens) that BrightID has had since before it first applied to Gitcoin Grants in round four. These have been used to raise funds almost exclusively for the core team. Should a grants project be allowed to charge a fee for its services and sell rights to those services?âbecause thatâs what weâve done. You can read about Sponsorships tokens and Subscriptions tokens. Gitcoin has purchased sponsorships tokens to use in the trust bonus.
sorry sir, I misunderstand you ;(
10 million $Bright went to the DAO treasury. That treasury could certainly be used to fund BrightID core, but it hasnât yet, and we need Gitcoin and other grants.
At current prices that seems to be ~$3,057,240.
If the DAOâs treasury is not used to fund development of the BrightID core then what is the purpose of the DAO and its treasury?
Good question. Since it launched in September, BrightDAO has funded the following initiatives:
I consider this a great success based on the mission of Bright DAO and I hope these kinds of grants will accelerate.
As I mentioned in the appeal, weâre also trying to reduce the size and responsibility of the core team so that it doesnât need as much funding as it currently does (about $30k per month). We could probably cut that down to $10k / month. Weâve had a hiring freeze since last year and one dev has left the team.
I encourage you to read this. I hope Iâve been able to clear up some assumptions you may have had about the story behind Bright DAO and why BrightID core still asks for donations.
The goal of BrightDAO is to broaden the community that supports BrightID.
Iâm purposefully posting this after the fact because my comments are about policy not the matter at hand. I learned a lot about DAO governance from reading this âcase study.â Thank you all for publishing your reasoning here.
This is very good. You should think about applying for LEETH certification in LexDAO given your multidisciplinary abilities! 
I believe spirit of the law is much more important than letter of the law. Compare common law with equity. Court of Chancery - Wikipedia and Estoppel - Wikipedia (especially regarding consideration and quid pro quo)
Is FDD appeals a tribunal or a court? What I mean by this is can appeals revisit facts established at trial or just application of the law?
Importantly, letter of the law is wet code and not dry code so interpretations will most likely include some variation between interpreters. The community should contemplate how much variation is reasonable.
One if the issues that arises trying too much to avoid variation in interpretation of the law is policy cannot develop with sufficient complexity to handle matters. For instance, negligence has a ~6 element test: duty, breach of duty, cause, in fact, proximate cause, and harm.
Moreover, how much judicial activism is included in application of the law, understanding no judicial activism is dysfunctional because, among other reasons, Natural language is imprecise? Statutory interpretation - Wikipedia
Doesnât the âTâ in NFT stand for token? if I make 20,000,001 â$1 billsâ each with a unique generative art design, can I circumvent the under $20,000,000 policyâs letter of the law? 10 Rarest Types of Dollar Bills - Rarest.org
I hope Gitcoin considers a final appeal that is conducted by arms-length parties outside of Gitcoin, for instance a reputable ODR service. Considering Gitcoin could be served without an agreement to arbitrate, it might be a smart move. Further, if the community perceives the impartiality of Gitcoinâs Snapshot as relatively low now or in the future, ODR final appeal could help bolster confidence.
This is not legal advice.
Thank you for your choice in how and when to engage with this topic.
Iâm digging in and learning more here, but overall I think our policy will need expert opinions to help guide the process. It must also be a joint effort between the all the teams which interact with Grants.
I think we learned a lot and made great progress on our system overall. We now need to vet the processes and bring in subject matter experts to help us get to the next level. This will definitely be an outcome we shoot for before GR14.
Great Q.
imo FDD Appeals is more like a tribunal. We will revisit facts. A common example relates to broken website links. Eg: When grantees apply the website is broken so the grant gets denied. The grantee then fixes the website link and requests an appeal. In these conditions the FDD Appeals absolutely revisits the âfactâ and upon finding a working website link recommends the appeal succeed. Assuming no other eligibility criteria violations exist ofc.
We are not so refined as to use and define ourselves by a single model. Rather we are trying to be comprehensive, fair, and fast. And do so in a manner approved/vetted by the Steward group & every workstream.